tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998509848120209824.post3159867438421571270..comments2024-02-05T18:14:35.019-06:00Comments on Western Kentucky Genealogy Blog: Kentucky Marriage RecordsBrenda Joyce Jeromehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07878338519744358017noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998509848120209824.post-7733018419013645882011-09-18T19:36:34.800-05:002011-09-18T19:36:34.800-05:00I think I understand now. The ones that I have see...I think I understand now. The ones that I have seen that are copies have indicated they are copies. These copies appeared in military pension files and were obtained especially for the pension application. If you have the names and county where they married, why not simply write for a copy of the original record? If it is a copy of the original record, the signature of the bridegroom should not be in the same handwriting as the signature of the clerk or the surety - should be 3 signatures in 3 different handwritings. Hope this makes sense.Brenda Joyce Jeromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878338519744358017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998509848120209824.post-87534105928221946642011-09-18T19:13:05.618-05:002011-09-18T19:13:05.618-05:00I'm sorry i was a bit obtuse in my original qu...I'm sorry i was a bit obtuse in my original question(s) of 9/17. How do I know if I'm looking at a transcribed copy from a record book or an original bond. Obviously, i did not obtain the record myself and I am hesitant to ask the question of the provider until i understand things a bit more.<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />Terry L.fayrankinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06665501003237859375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998509848120209824.post-64944575945153616092011-09-18T14:26:40.861-05:002011-09-18T14:26:40.861-05:00One would hope that the clerk indicated whether th...One would hope that the clerk indicated whether the person made his mark or actually signed his name. I've seen it expressed this way: Given name (X) surname. However, we can't be sure and it probably depend on the clerk.Brenda Joyce Jeromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878338519744358017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998509848120209824.post-38970049712953523532011-09-17T22:26:53.972-05:002011-09-17T22:26:53.972-05:00The situation I'm referring to is not in Weste...The situation I'm referring to is not in Western KY but in Clark Co., Ky 1794-1802 ish. I think the situation would be the same. There are copies of marriage bonds found at various sites. My question is if these are copies of the original documents where the parties (grooms, fathers, bondsmen, etc) put pen and ink to the paper of the original marriage bond or a copy of the transcribed record recorded by a clerk to the county record books. This is an important distinction as the signature of the father of 2 supposed daughters on different bonds needs to match. If the names were both written by the same clerk they are going to match. If the records we are looking at are clerical copies, how should the clerk have indicated if the parties signed their name or just made their mark?<br /><br />Thanks,<br />Terry Linthicum, Green Valley, AZfayrankinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06665501003237859375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998509848120209824.post-57701806305954093432010-04-16T21:01:10.531-05:002010-04-16T21:01:10.531-05:00The bondsman should have been "of age" -...The bondsman should have been "of age" - in other words, 21 or older. I don't know that the bondsman had to own property, but, by signing his name to the bond, he was guaranteeing that if the money was forfeited and paid to the state, the bondsman could stand in place of the bridegroom in making that payment. The bride's father was often the bondsman, but not always. I don't know anyone else who has studied or written about bondsmen.Brenda Joyce Jeromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878338519744358017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998509848120209824.post-47221061025024204462010-04-16T20:47:08.859-05:002010-04-16T20:47:08.859-05:00Can you tell me if there was any requirement for a...Can you tell me if there was any requirement for a marriage Bondsman other than money or property to back up the Bond? For example, did they have to be of legal age? I am trying to use the fact that my 3rd great grandfather was a bondsman in 1810 to get a closer fix on his birth date. Also, are you aware of anyone else who has studied and written about bondsmen?<br /><br />Thank you,<br />DoloresDoloreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10724350889177758027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998509848120209824.post-49662606253452994402007-10-16T18:24:00.000-05:002007-10-16T18:24:00.000-05:00Brenda, thanks. I didn't think it sounded right t...Brenda, thanks. I didn't think it sounded right that the amount of money of the bond would be forfeited if either one changed their mind about the marriage.Linda Lamb Monticellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17930434285481145854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998509848120209824.post-25224119597883742052007-10-16T16:49:00.000-05:002007-10-16T16:49:00.000-05:00Linda, I didn't finish responding to your question...Linda, I didn't finish responding to your question before my fingers hit Send.<BR/><BR/>If it was found there was a legal reason to prohibit the marriage, the amt of money given on the bond was paid to the court.Brenda Joyce Jeromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878338519744358017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998509848120209824.post-60302718065863329512007-10-16T16:23:00.000-05:002007-10-16T16:23:00.000-05:00Linda, I've never heard that the bond amount was p...Linda, I've never heard that the bond amount was paid prior to the license being issued and, if the bridegroom backed out, the bond amt. was paid. The only reason for the bridegroom having to pay the amt. listed on the bond is if there was found to be a legal reason. Backing out of a marriage was not illegal - maybe not nice, but certainly not illegal. <BR/><BR/>See pp 82-83 of Roseann Hogan's "Kentucky Ancestry."Brenda Joyce Jeromehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07878338519744358017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7998509848120209824.post-36280219615873523462007-10-16T15:27:00.000-05:002007-10-16T15:27:00.000-05:00Thanks for the information on Kentucky marriage re...Thanks for the information on Kentucky marriage records, Brenda. Yesterday I was looking for some information on marriage bonds and found the following: "In earlier times, a marriage bond was given to the court by the intended groom prior to his marriage. It affirmed that there was no moral or legal reason why the couple could not be married and it also affirmed that the groom would not change his mind. If he did, and did not marry the intended bride, he would forfeit the bond." <BR/><BR/>Here's my question, if the man changed his mind and did not go through with the marriage, who would get the forfeited bond money, the intended bride or the county?<BR/><BR/>LindaLinda Lamb Monticellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17930434285481145854noreply@blogger.com